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Review of Sneaky Pete’s zoning board hearing.


Oct 13, 2011 69 Comments

So… I just got back from the zoning board hearing at Albany’s City Hall regarding Sneaky Pete’s Nightclub’s request for a Use Variance for a proposed location in the warehouse district.

It was a very interesting hearing.

If interested,

… thank you for listening :)

So… it was difficult to sit in that court room and listen to Sneaky Pete’s proposal. The owner of the nightclub spoke, as well as his attorney, and also his architect Bob Bucher from Design Logic, who I have used previously professionally, let me just say that I don’t doubt he would do an excellent job with the fit-up of the space.


Nearly every single business and property owner, who has resided in the Warehouse District for years, showed up to say something in protest to Sneaky Pete’s Nightclub moving into their neighborhood. It felt like a heartfelt group of very concerned citizens who have a genuine worry and fear about this nightclub moving in next door.

My main concerns are the following:

1.  This proposed location is NOT an allowable use for a nightclub.  It’s not like, “they have every right to be down there”.   They don’t.  The City of Albany would have to give Sneaky Pete’s a Special Use (i.e. special permission) to open up in the warehouse district.

2.  Sneaky Pete’s  will be using 11 (ELEVEN!) security wands at the door to frisk everyone who enters to make sure no weapons get inside the building.

Let me say this.  We don’t need wands at the biergarten.  I know Stout and The Barrel Saloon don’t need them.  Why?  Because we don’t have customers who carry guns.   Yes, we do get your occasional crazy college kid, but they’re carrying an armed iPhone ready to Facebook Poke the shit out of you, they’re not carrying a gun. You can draw your own conclusion, but don’t you think it’s concerning that even the owner realizes the danger potential of his own club and needed to purchase 11 wands to scan for weapons??

3.  According to their “Security Measures” statement, and I quote, “We purchased 2 Megaphones with sirens to disburse crowds and inform them of anything going on outside in the parking lots”.

Wait, what??  I live outside your establishment.  I walk my pups outside in your parking lot. What’s going on that you need megaphones and sirens?!   And where are they disbursing to?  Do I need to start carrying my own poopy bag when I walk the dogs, because this is sounding very scary.

4.  ”On any given night, they can have up to 800 people show up to the Club”…. including…. HIGH SCHOOL NIGHT. (The owner said that.  Eight Hundred People.  High School Night. I didn’t even know they had that.)

Those two things make me scared straight (resist it. too easy).

What happens to the weapons-carrying-customers who set off the 11 wands?  Or the few hundred people who don’t get let in for whatever reason?  I totally realize that most of the people who will go to Sneaky Pete’s are probably super nice, amazing dancers.  But what about the crazy ones who are smart enough to leave their weapons in the car (because they read Friday Puppy and now know about the 11 wands), and they’re drunk and their weapon is in the car.   I’m being speculative of course, but that scenario is terrifying.

5.  Lastly, and probably above all things, my home (as well as the home of 4 other families) is a stone’s throw away from the proposed site.   It really terrifies me to think of living next door to a club that has 800 13-20 year olds going to it.  I know this last one pretty much only affects me, but hey, it’s my silly blog.

When it’s all said and done, I would be incredibly surprised if The City of Albany gives their approval for this Use.   This nightclub in particular comes with a history of bad behavior, and virtually every business owner and residential people (all 1o of us humans and four dogs:) strongly oppose it.

Please, City of Albany.   Things are looking up over here in the Warehouse District.  Let’s keep it moving in a great direction.   Beautiful residential lofts are sprouting up. Solid, positive businesses (that don’t need security wands) are bringing happy people to North Albany finally.

Let’s continue our vision of an amazing Warehouse District.

Not a Warehouse Destruct.

(oooh, I like that!)



  • Mariana
    Oct 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    I heard about this news from Chris. I hope it all works out for all of you. I know for myself, one of the places i love to visit when i’m in Albany is the warehouse district. I can’t imagine a club would fit in with the environment that has been created there. I believe in positive forces and I strongly feel, it won’t happen for ‘Sneaky Petes”.. that name alone has negativity written all over it.

    love your reading your blogs, Matt *heart*

    Oct 12, 2011 at 8:04 pm

    Wow ….if you need wands ….then maybe you shouldn’t be running that kind of business – that is absolutely amazing …..i am a total jerk – there’s no doubt about that …but i will honestly feel bad for you if this goes through

  • Justin Miller
    Oct 12, 2011 at 8:10 pm

    Thank you as usual… Let’s just hope that the city listens to us… As for MY issue… How about Center Square turning into Arbor Hill? Well, at least Dove between Hudson and Hamilton…

  • Mojo
    Oct 12, 2011 at 8:16 pm

    High school night! Magical wands! I’m totally there.

  • MikeSki
    Oct 12, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Great post with very valid points Matt. I hope it can be stopped. SP’s never lasts long anyplace due to the clientele they eventually attract.

    And Mojo….. that’s funny!! LOL.

  • The Original Mike
    Oct 12, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Whenever an applicant is requesting a favor from a municipality (ie a special use permit, zone change, variance) the applicant must present a strong case as to why they should be granted such favor and there typically needs to be minimal neighborhood opposition. When as many neighbors and businesses come out against the proposal as it sounds like they did tonight the proposal usually has no chance.

    That is under normal circumstances.

    Now when you add the fact that the applicant is a night club, it has a long history in the very same municipality of violence and other incidents that require police response, it is upfront with the fact that they require heavy security to police their own customers and their business model involves 800 high school students you have an application that is virtually dead on arrival. Legally each applicant is owed a hearing so thats what you saw tonight, a formality.

    This project seems terribly thought out (using the same Sneaky Pete’s name, pursuing a property that requires a special use permit). Who in their right mind would think a re-incarnation of Sneaky Pete’s would be given any type of favors from any local municipality.

  • KB
    Oct 12, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Let’s hope the Warehouse District remains the adult alternative that it is now.

  • Reggie
    Oct 12, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    they should look for a location in Menands

  • Dan Healy
    Oct 12, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    Ugh.. Scuzzy.. Stay away Sneaky Pete’s.. Sneak back over to Central Ave and stay where you belong.

  • DEG
    Oct 12, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    True life: I’ve been to Sneaky Pete’s. I accidentally went there my freshman year of college not knowing it’s background or history since both my roommate and I were from Queens. Having come from a public high school in queens I believe I have quite the experience with rowdy and agressive crowds. I was unaware that bars in Albany needed metal detectors. It should’ve been a good enough reason to not go inside, but, we did any way. Needless to say, the 15 minutes inside that place were nothing short of miserable. That place should be no where near anyones actual home. I think there are lot of people that consider the biergarten, stout, etc into their home. If I could’ve gone today I would’ve. Id love to sign anything that prevents this from happening

  • karen.
    Oct 12, 2011 at 10:24 pm

    there were roughly twenty people who spoke against the club, and four in favor… including mr. karl’s dad. yes, HIS DAD… who by the way, reached the maximum time limit to speak. (really?!?!)

    when mr. karl mentioned the fact that the “stigmata” of the past owners’ club’s rep was following him i almost burst out laughing.

    i also greatly appreciated the chairperson’s suggestion to open the club closer to karl’s home in ballston spa.

    sigh. it was an interesting hearing to say the least. and i sincerely hope the request isn’t granted.

  • Rusty
    Oct 12, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Well done matt.

  • Phil
    Oct 12, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    You and your crew have done an incredible job in the transformation to the w.d., not to mention B. Saloon and Stout. Why risk turning it back into what it was?

  • Amanda
    Oct 13, 2011 at 12:10 am

    This is SO TYPICAL of Albany. Whenever someone starts to build up a decent area (i.e. the Warehouse District), scum has to come in and ruin it. I am BEGGING the powers that be to DENY Sneaky Pete’s proposal. Matt & co. have done an amazing job transforming the Warehouse District; let’s give Albany a chance at a decent bar scene and keep Sneaky Pete’s out of there.

  • Amanda
    Oct 13, 2011 at 12:11 am

    Also, I’m sure 2 megaphones are going to do a lot of good for dispersing a crowd of 800 people. Seriously?!

  • Toni
    Oct 13, 2011 at 12:34 am

    I don’t want sneaky petes coming anywhere near Matt or
    Jeremy. If anyone harms or upsets either one of them in anyway, ill be very upset

  • Richard hall
    Oct 13, 2011 at 3:42 am

    Hey Matt great article but I was also there and I dorky hear anything about 11 wands. How come you didn’t mention the facted that since new ownship of 4-5 years that the new owner has never been in trouble by the liquor..never been ticket for under age drinking, new been shut down, never had any problems. You didn’t mention that fact that the owner would do highschool night once a month, you forgot to mention the 25 + night proposed. You forgot to mention that the o wpoet has paid Albany police detail money to ensure safety and has worked with Albany oddball to keep the business trouble free and has got commended because no other venue around here take so much pro active measure. Again Matt great story but please dont leave so much out next time and be one sided

  • Hopeful
    Oct 13, 2011 at 7:02 am

    Which way do you think the zoning board is leaning?

  • John
    Oct 13, 2011 at 8:14 am

    You hipsters make me laugh. You want to keep your cool, hip, offbeat locations to yourself and make sure none of “those people” come in from Arbor Hill or the South End. I know, I know, you won’t admit it is about blacks. But it is. You don’t want to scare off those cute blond hair white girls from Latham or Delmar by having their dads worry about how many of “those people” will be around.

  • Steve Barnes
    Oct 13, 2011 at 8:46 am

    “Disburse”? “Stigmata”? Sounds like the club owner needs a dictionary as well as wands.

  • Matt
    Oct 13, 2011 at 8:52 am

    @ Richard hall… you don’t remember him mentioning the wands? He did. And if you didn’t hear him for whatever reason, you can read it in their full page ” Security Measures Inititiated” report which states in writing “Purchased 11 Search Wands to facilitate better screening at door which leads to a safer interior premise.” I can send it to you if you’d like.

    Were you also not there when we all heard Paul read off the police report stating the almost 200 times just last year the police had to be called for incidents including gun shots, bloody knife fights and other violent behavior??

    Richard, the point you’re missing is that it concerns me that this nightclub needs to hire extra police to keep control over the parking lots and streets outside the club. I also feel that The Albany Police have enough to worry about in our own city, rather than policing a Nightclub. They are not taking a “proactive measure” as you put it, they are “reacting” to their own history of problems.

    And who cares how many nights a month they have High School night. What kind of club has a high school night? They should be home studying. In 2009, when Sneaky Pete’s was open, the Albany High School graduation rate was… 47% !!! (according to AllOverAlbany.com)

    Richard, I pointed out the things that were most concerning to me, if that makes it one sided, then fine.

    Oct 13, 2011 at 9:05 am

    @John — has nothing to do with color of the skin …has everything to do with being a thug and riff raff …..any color can be a piece of shit ….why are you promoting racism ?

  • Nancy
    Oct 13, 2011 at 9:13 am

    Great post Matt, I totally agree with everything you wrote. The thought of Seaky Pete’s being in that location scares me too. I play roller derby with the Albany All Stars and our practice space is down there. It terrifies me to think that anyone from Sneakly Pete’s looking to make trouble can sneak (no pun intended) around to our entrance and wait for our skaters to leave the building at late hours of the night. The warehouse district is secluded in some parts. so its easy for someone to hide around the corner waiting to strike with a weapon. I shouldn’t have to feel scared when it’s time for me to go home and venture out to my car. Thanks for the post Matt, I hope someone reads it and realizes the real issues of this.

  • elf
    Oct 13, 2011 at 9:19 am

    is there a petition (can there be?) I’ll sign up against having SP down in the amazing warehouse district pronto.

  • Aaron
    Oct 13, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Of all, I think the high school night is the most egregious. Introducing high school kids to the club scene and getting their hooks into them, then dressing it up like a fun, kid-safe event is despicable. I know they don’t serve alcohol, but it is, to me, equatable to a pedophile saying, “I don’t touch kids, I just show them pornography.”

  • justwannadance
    Oct 13, 2011 at 10:46 am

    Matt you need to start a petition.

    I hate to be cynical, but there is a reason that sneaky pete’s existed as long as it did – in our city. And there is a reason they think they even have a chance opening in the WD. I mean, Richard Hall says they’re paying the city $$$ for police support. To me, that’s a red flag… and not just because they need police detail.

    If they open sneaky pete’s down there, against all neighborhood and general citizen opposition, i will stage a protest and I hope you’ll all attend.

  • Fred
    Oct 13, 2011 at 10:46 am


    This is strictly a safety issue for me. If a business brings in crime-especially violent crime, how can it be welcomed in any neighborhood? It is not a matter of race-if a white guy stabs me it hurts just the same, and if a white bar brings violence, it should be closed too. Crime ruins communities, end of story.

  • RoxyC
    Oct 13, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Thanks for bringing this situation out in your blog. If I lived where you live I too would be concerned. I like the area and enjoying going out down there. I am not looking for a club down there.

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  • Casey
    Oct 13, 2011 at 1:03 pm

    It pains me to say it, but the chance I would stop patronizing that area if Sneaky Pete’s opened is very great. I would be very sad to lose Biergarten as a hangout spot, but I’m just not going to risk life and limb to have a beer while 800 children who are predisposed to carry weapons get riled up a block away.

  • Bob Powers
    Oct 13, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    Best line ever: “I totally realize that most of the people who will go to Sneaky Pete’s are probably super nice, amazing dancers”

  • Renee
    Oct 13, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Over this summer (2011) my boyfriend was picked for jury duty in Alb County. The defendant: a young man who open fired his pistol at a moving vehicle in the parking lot of….Sneaky Pete’s.

  • john quigley
    Oct 13, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    No1 wants to do business with this kind of crowd. Why does it have to come down here? Got to Schencetady, Troy whatever. No one wants this. Why do you think the bars on broadway are so sucessful? Because they are sick of going to Pearl Street where the doorways are clogged with gangbangers and thugs not spending any money.
    ..As far as the guys input from Fresh and Fly. What are your gross sales from the last year $12? You wont even be open in 90 days unless of course your store is a FRONT for something else. Maybe LAUNDRY would be a more appropriate name.
    Every place this clientele has leads to a shooting. Pure, Tryst,Broadway Club and the LA lounge are just a few. For Goddsake they cant even have an ELKS club (lower second street) without someone getting shot!!!

    Also the first rule of business is you cant do business with someone that doesnt have any money.

    Bullet points:
    Ask albany PD how many officers it took to patrol Sneakys parking lot on Central Avenue Friday and Saturday Nights? At least four. Why is that?

    The Arab man that owns the Mobil on Central Avenue would CLOSE between 2am and 430am. Why is that?

    This clientele has absolutely RUINED Pearl St!!!!! No one is talking about a drunk. We are talking about DANGEROUS PEOPLE whose supposeed art and expression advocates violence, opression, degradation and racism.

  • john quigley
    Oct 13, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    The thing is they look at the money your making and the little bit of saliva comes from the corner of their mouths. What they dont get is they are marketing to the wrong clientele.

    NO ONE WANTS YOU IN THE WD!! Irish, German, Rock n Roll and Country Music. What part of that says “Welcome Hoodrats”

    You took over Pearl St. KEEP IT.

  • Hopeful
    Oct 13, 2011 at 3:39 pm

    Richard – your post is difficult to read.
    And why can’t Matt be one sided? It’s HIS blog. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. He’s Matt.

  • Marlon Anderson Former candidate for mayor
    Oct 13, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    sounds like advocating segregation to me! they have just as much a right to do buisness as anyone else. And the fact that they are being dicouraged to do so because of the color of their clientele is frankly racist! and lets clarify something the majority of violence on pearl st and lark st is from white folks not black people!( ive witnessed it first hand) so get off of your high horse! if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, ITS A DUCK!!!! and this is nothing more than segregation and racism!!!

  • howard tanner
    Oct 13, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    Alot of negativity here, as an owner of several businesses, the municipalities demand worst case scenario type requirements, the original sneaky petes in latham, was a great club, and this is america so grow up matt!

  • Sheryl
    Oct 13, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    @Marlon Anderson Former candidate for mayor. No one has mentioned the color of anyones skin!!!!! Ugh, I can not stand it when a black politician tries to turn something that is not an issue of race into one. And I’m BLACK. And I am 100% positive that there are other Black people who feel the same way! And unfortunately, there are too many Black people carrying guns and knives, in gangs, and causing issues in these clubs. And White people. So let’s not deter from the real issue here.There is a fine line between a friendly neighborhood bar and a night club with a track record of violence, arrests, and police monitering! It is not about the right to do business, rather keeping the area safe and secure. The fact that this club has to have security wands to search their guests is highly alarming! Inviting crime into an area that is being revitalized and invested in is counter productive, especially when these areas were previously abandoned and uncared for by anyone in this city! Thankfully, these entrepreneurs have invested into this area, and now larger, more unsavory characters are looking to capitalize on it. Bravo to Matt, Jeremy, and all of the others who are simply trying to protect their investment. Shame on you, Mr. Former Candidate for Mayor for attempting to turn this into a racial issue.

  • jimmy
    Oct 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    The whole issue was decided before the proceeding even began. The Board is an absolute joke. The one member, a woman who sat to the far right of the Chairman, came in 20 minutes after proceedings began. Yay or Nay, her vote should not count. She can read the transcript all she wants, but she was not there and therefore should not be allowed a vote. The member who sat directly to the right (from audience view) was hostile towards the Mr. Karl, the owner of SP. He was also either not paying attention or is just an idiot. He said something to the effect of “you told the board a few minutes ago that you would lose %50 profit if you were to close by 330AM.” He than raised his voice and told Mr. Karl “don’t forget, what you said is already on the record.” Well, Karl never said that. He was talking about losing revenue if closing at 330. Whether or not it’s alot of money, it doesn’t matter. What matters is the member was hostile and tried to corner him over some bs that was never said. As I watched the rest of the proceedings, I came to the realization that most of the members of the board were not even paying attention to what was going on. They were looking around or playing with papers in front of them. Basically, they were kind of sitting there. I do not want sneaky’s to open on broadway. I have many friends that work there and I know it’s a pretty bad place, but that is not my point. My point of this post is that the whole proceeding, as well as the Board that “votes” is an absolute joke. I would also like to say that I have been to many of these meetings and it is always the same. So feel free to trash me and tell me that I am a troll for Mr. Karl, or whatever else you would like to say. I am not, one bit. I would just like to see an unbiased meeting for once, where ALL the members take an active role in the proceedings and all members actually show up on time.

  • Meh
    Oct 13, 2011 at 7:45 pm

    Are there white bars in Arbor Hill?

  • Kara
    Oct 13, 2011 at 8:24 pm

    As a woman patron of the warehouse districts bars I’ve already been weary of the parking situation & walking to my car. Not all areas are well lit and I have had to yell at a creeper trying to follow me to my car and I was not walking alone! Now I’m imagining walking to my car with 800 gun toting high school & college kids stumbling around. The city of Albany is just waiting for something bad to happen down there if Sneaky Pete’s is allowed to move down there.

  • cssm
    Oct 13, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    @38 Sheryl – I wish you could hear me clapping.
    Well said.

  • KB
    Oct 13, 2011 at 10:19 pm

    Hey if logic fails, you can always play the race card. PATHETIC!

  • Amanda Talar
    Oct 13, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    Oh, Marlon. Stop. Just stop.

  • Geoff: Former Middle School Basketball Tryout
    Oct 14, 2011 at 8:32 am

    “Former Candidate for Mayor”….. love it.

    Think it’s pretty clear why you’re a former candidate and not the Mayor.

  • DL
    Oct 14, 2011 at 9:31 am

    Thank you to Sheryl #38 for speaking out and defining the real issue here.

    The other issue here is the size of the business and all the challenges that come with it. A club of this magnitude (regardless of clientele) does not belong in this area.

    If the owner is serious about opening a club in the WD, scale it down to a more reasonable size. Futhermore, the name SP clearly comes with much baggage, most of it negative. Why not change the name and market the club in the context of the existing neighborhood and respect the investors who took the initial risk? Why not pioneer a new location where you do not need a variance and take your own risk?

  • Carlene
    Oct 14, 2011 at 10:08 am

    @Sheryl – Nicely said. The most damaging part of the legacy of inequality is that it defeats balanced arguments – arguments having to do with actions, community concerns, and moral behavior, not skin color.

    @jimmy – Thanks for presenting a balanced view of someone who would prefer Sneaky Pete’s opened somewhere else, and still wanting to see our elected officials doing their jobs properly.

    @Matt – At first I was wondering if you’d feel as strongly if you didn’t live down there, then I thought about it from a business standpoint; I realized that the big issue is how the warehouse area is still fragile, with businesses (and residents) new enough to be severely affected if they or their clientele feel uncomfortable frequenting the area. The goal is to nurture and establish a harmonious community, where a feeling of safety nurtures an increase in commerce.

    It’s about finding a location that’s an appropriate fit for a business such as a night club. I mean, specifically, ANY night club, not just Sneaky Pete’s. If the owners are trying to capitalize on an area that’s been revitalized by a thoughtful melding of businesses that directly help one another by their proximity, a better idea might be to look at their plan on a larger scale. Why not build themselves a district with multiple businesses that can also cater to their clientele’s needs? There’s a way to make it work so that the community is happy, business owners are happy, and patrons are happy.

  • Jacky
    Oct 14, 2011 at 11:03 am

    I think SP should open a new location in Stuyvesant Plaza…. cause like SP being neighbors to the WD businesses…. it totally makes sense ~

  • maggiemay
    Oct 14, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Back in my day….(ok I am older then you but you will get old too believe it or not) – when Sneaky’s was in Latham, Nick the owner did not stand for any crap. He had bouncers in suits at the door, and everyone was dressed up for the most part. He was such a fun time (disco era). Sure, some drunk jerks may attempt a fight, but it didn’t last as soon as it started it was outta there and outside. The world is so different now. Nick’s SP’s was such a classy place. Nick, if you are out there, tell them you want them the name back because now it has a horrible reputation. Sorry you have to go through this Matt.

  • Jessica R
    Oct 14, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    I’d like to bring up another point on why the zoning board would be stupid to approve this. I have been around the country to several small, cash-strapped cities, and they would LOVE to have a district like the Warehouse district. In fact several have been purposely designed as such, or are proposed (Cleveland, Buffalo, and Peroia, IL are ones I have seen/are proposed). These are areas targeted for older, salary-earning ADULTS, who want a SAFE environment and to avoid the “Club” scene. The cities have purposely put in intrstructure ($$$) to entice businesses to these areas. In contrast, the Warehouse district has grown ORGANICALLY and without city backing. Their success speaks to the needs for such a place in Albany to target this demographic. The zoning board needs to have a long-term view point in this situation, and deny Sneaky Pete’s application.

    I would be interested in seeing an age demographic for those supporting SP in this post and in general. When I was in college or just out of college, I might not see why this is a big deal, and why so many people don’t want this to be approved. As a 32 year old, there aren’t a lot of neighborhoods where I can go and feel as comfortable as I do in the Warehouse district.

  • Lala
    Oct 14, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    #36- Marlon Anderson– The same Marlon Anderson that is accusing his employer CDTA of racism?? The same Marlon Anderson that is now making Sneaky Pete’s an issue of racism? I think maybe it’s you that is making this an issue of racism and unfortunately you are using the color of your skin to fight your battle rather than looking hard at the facts.

    If SP was such a safe, fun environment then why the need for the extra security- Like others have mentioned I have yet to see extra security for any of the bars located on Broadway. So I’m not sure as to why SP would think they would need so much additional security if they typically don’t encounter any safety/security issues. Wait-They have in the past and chances are the same rowdy crowd will be coming to it’s new location.

  • Marlon Anderson Former candidate for Mayor
    Oct 14, 2011 at 4:07 pm

    Yes sheryl the one & the same( and By the way Im WINNING the case against CDTA! so its more now than simply being alleged)! and mandy no luv, I wont stop! Simply put they have a right to enjoy the same opportunity that Matt enjoys regardless of their clientele! Im sure that if someone raised issue againbst Matt opening a BIERGARTEN and exposing the neighborhood to drunken Hooligans, he’d have a problem, so I ask you all what is the differance between that and Sneaky Petes? the same drunks who start out at the BIergarten end up down on pearl st getting into fights and all the rest! so this holier than thou needs to end. Like it or not Sneaky Petes has just as much a right to conduct their buisness as the BIERgarten and every other buisness does there! THis is America people, everyone has rights not just certain people!!!

  • Chris
    Oct 16, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    @45…Love your name!!

    @19 John…It isn’t about being black versus white, or being a hipster versus not so hip, or being intelligent versus ignorant like you. The reason racism still exists in this world is because of idiots like you who spout off when you don’t even get the issues. You want to look past at all the negatives that have been mentioned, and stomp your feet and say “you don’t like black people.” That’s not what it’s about. I don’t like gun carrying trouble makers. I don’t care if you are black, white or a beautiful shade of magenta. Just look at the facts! The people who most frequent the warehouse district are going to have the most to say, and being that I have been down that way a time or two, I can tell you that the people are all shapes and sizes, colors, and ages (I guess we’ll all have to dream about the plethora of cute blond hair white girls from Latham or Delmar). What’s your address? I’d like to send you a Cheer Up card, so you can burn the Racism one.

    @Marlon Anderson Former candidate for Mayor and current Grammatical Nightmare…I’m sure being able to read and write is not on the “application” for Mayor, but that’s probably because it is implied that anyone who would run for such a position would be able to do those two fundamental things. “Me fail English? That’s unpossible.”*

    Now I’ve heard a lot about you through the local blogging community Marlon, but I didn’t realize anyone could be so short sited and illogical. Are you really making a comparison between the clientele that frequents Wolff’s (Hooligans as you stated) and that of Sneaky Pete’s, as if they have anything in common? THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!!! And I’m not referring to the color of their skin. I’m talking about their decision making abilities. Did you read the part about the wands, and extra police presence? I’ve never been at the Biergarten when the cops had to be called or they had to take a gun away from someone. Maybe that’s because those folks had already left to go start fights on Pearl Street? I know that’s why I avoid Pearl Street, because of all those roaming gangs of gun-toting Hooligans!! The fact of the matter is SPs DOESN’T have a right to move in and do business in the Warehouse district, because there is this thing called a Zoning Board who makes that decision. Kind of like when someone thinks they can be the Mayor, but then they lose, so then they can’t be the Mayor. Surely you get that. Or maybe not.

    Anyway, that’s my rant for the evening. I’m going to climb off my soap box which is up on my high horse, and go watch some football. Thanks for reading!

    *Ralph Wiggum, The Simpsons, Season 6, Episode 8: “Lisa on Ice”

  • MS+SS
    Oct 17, 2011 at 7:59 am

    @ Marlon Anderson former candidate for Mayor- It is not a racially powered issue, it is a quality of life one.

  • Marlon Anderson Former candidate for mayor
    Oct 17, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    Posters 53 & 54 simply put, its a issue of rights and the excercision of same. As somome who frequented and partied on Pearl street for a number of years, i can assure you that the majority of partrons who were committing violent acts on pearl st, and still are by the way, would be more likely to patronize the biergarten, not sneaky petes! And the fact that people are asserting here that Sneaky clientele is somewhow beneath the clientele of the Biergarten is ludicrious!!! simply put too many folks are too blinded by stereotypes to see the real truth!!1

  • Sheryl
    Oct 17, 2011 at 5:37 pm

    @ Marlon Anderson, which is it a race issue or a stereotype issue? Is this a issue civil rights now? What type of patron are you generalizing would frequent the Biergarten? I call pot and kettle. It seems as if you can’t make up your mind. Did you attend the zoning board meeting? Have you ever been to Wolff’s or any other warehouse district business to truly know what you are talking about? Clearly, you are not listening or reading what others have to say, perhaps as a cry for attention. Trust me, it is not a good way to get attention, especially for someone who so proudly advocates his former “candidacy” for mayor.

    Oct 18, 2011 at 9:34 am

    You guys are so goddamn naive…high school night is just one big study group. There will be librarians, tutors and parents there to make sure everyone does their homework. Tang and peanut butter cookies will be available at the bar.

    Stop being so ignorant. Sheesh.

    Oct 18, 2011 at 9:42 am

    ‘@John — has nothing to do with color of the skin …has everything to do with being a thug and riff raff …..any color can be a piece of shit ….why are you promoting racism ?’ – It’s a blog! Where else can you promote racism, sexism, and be homophobic…anonymously? Not saying that John is any of those things, but if he were…why not go to a blog and promote it? Better here than on my street or my office…

    With that said, I definitely think Albany needs a real nightclub…one that doesn’t pose as a restaurant by day, just to clear out the tables and bring in a DJ at night. I just don’t think it belongs downtown, should be called Sneaky anything or be promoted to anyone with the word TEEN in their age.

  • clara
    Oct 18, 2011 at 1:47 pm

    11 metal detecting wands, numerous incidents of gun violence, 2 bull horns to clear crowds out of the parking lot, and a large amount of community opposition are more than enough reasons to deny Sneaky Petes any kind of opening, let alone even being allowed to stay open in their current location. Call me spoiled but, the bars i go to and the crowds associated with them do not need all of that security, they dont even check purses or bags, and fights are extremely rare.

  • marlon Anderson Former candidate for mayor
    Oct 18, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    sheryl, there are very few places i havent been in this city relating to it’s evening life, So when i speak its directly from experience! And Ive been clear and succint in every statement ive made, no veiled referances, no subtlety. So I assure you ,my mind is made up, and the zoning board meeting is one of the few community meetings i missed,but I will do all i can to be in attendance at the next one(if there is one) And simply put, sneaky petes has every right to open where and when they want, especially if others have done so. and as far as all the oppostion to it, if the chance of violence is such that it merits their denial, then all of Albanys bars & clubs need to be closed! Its that simple! You cant have one standard for some, and another for all the rest!

  • Leigh
    Oct 18, 2011 at 4:27 pm

    Where are the ‘Close Albany Saloons’ people when you really need them?!

  • Geoff: Former Middle School Basketball Tryout
    Oct 19, 2011 at 9:27 am

    @Chris – thanks, man. FYI: I didn’t make the team… probably bc I’m white. Oh wait, maybe it’s because I can’t jump or do a left handed layup. Whatever. I played ice hockey instead. Call me a stereotype.

    A couple final points @Marlon…

    “And simply put, sneaky petes has every right to open where and when they want, especially if others have done so”
    – No, no they don’t. They don’t because the others that were allowed to open there are not night clubs. They are not comparable establishments. They didn’t receive the kind of community opposition that would cause a zoning board to deny their request for a a variance. Precedent has not been set for night clubs in this area just because other places that serve alcohol are there.

    “if the chance of violence is such that it merits their denial, then all of Albanys bars & clubs need to be closed! Its that simple!” No, no it’s not. Here’s why… the bars currently in the WD have a CHANCE that, at some point, a couple of drunk people get in to an arument. Maybe one of these dudes even throws a punch. That will be an extreme exception to the norm in the WD. But yes, there is that CHANCE. I’m willing to take that chance to be there. And, if enough people are…. Business…. open.

    Sneaky Petes, which INCLUDES it’s parking lot, doesn’t have a CHANCE of violence, it most certainly has the SURETY of violence. If you think that’s not true, then regardless of where SP opens, I have a proposition for you. Every time trouble breaks out in the WD and the cops need to be called, I’ll pay you $1,000. We’ll call it a campaign contribution. In return, all I ask for is that for every time a cop gets called to respond to SP, you pay me $50. 20-1, but we all still know how it would turn out.

  • rana
    Oct 23, 2011 at 10:13 pm

    1. If you wanted to open a bar on a piece of property that needed a special use permit, wouldn’t you go get one? You would probably get it, i’s kind of a normal thing to do. Especially when an industrial area is being developed into a drinking district.

    2. You’re entire post implies a huge amount of ownership of the area. (I started opening certain types of bars so that’s the only type we can have from now on/ I moved into a building in a non-residential area so I now have a say over everything that happens there).

    3. You assume that because your businesses don’t have many overtly violent incidents, that your places are totally benign. You make your living off getting people drunk and turning them loose on the city. There’s nothing you can do about this, people should have the right to drink all they want and business owners have the right to profit off it. There’s no way to know how many of YOUR customers have incidents of drunk driving, sexual violence, and domestic violence after leaving your bars but it’s something to think about before getting so judgmental.

    PS- I agree that high school night is a really bad idea.

  • KB
    Oct 27, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Application DENIED.

  • Marlon Anderson Former candidate for mayor
    Oct 27, 2011 at 3:09 pm

    I think rana’s state no. 2 says it all concerning this matter, way too much ownership taken here. the denial of the application was a clear victory for the segregationally minded. And as far as the high school idea goes, I think its a great idea and with the large settlement I anticipate receiving from CDTA for their misdeeds I may undertake a venture for high school students to have a venue to dance and have fun, (as i had when i came up)

    Oct 27, 2011 at 7:22 pm

    high school night is a good way to groom the kids to become disrepectful muther ficlsers

  • KB
    Oct 27, 2011 at 8:58 pm

    Marlon, there is a reason you are a “former” candidate for Mayor. It’s as if I called myself a “former astronaut applicant”.

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