We rule! So many of us will sleep soundly tonight.
Flurries May 2, 2011 at 8:32 am
Awesome!! Just a great day. Is it wrong to be happy someone is dead dead dead?!
christy the homebirther May 2, 2011 at 9:08 am
I think it’s wrong to be happy that anyone is dead. Yes there are monsters out there but I think it’s a bad thing to de-sensitize death and have a celebration about killing another human being. He is dead. Be thankful that a threat doesn’t exist anymore. But don’t throw a party because we killed someone.
Kind of disgusting to me.
And frankly, I’d bet most people in the world have been sleeping soundly every single night for a long time over this. When is the last time you woke up and/or went to bed and said, geez I’m worried we haven’t caught Bin Laden?
Flurries May 2, 2011 at 10:15 am
I kinda understand Christy’s opinion on this, but I’m still glad he’s dead. It’s the 10th anniversary of 9/11 this year. At least we won’t have to hear any “proclamations” from this murderer any more, and especially on 9/11. EVERYONE wanted this guy dead almost 10 years ago. We said we’d get him, and we did. Good riddance. He could have surrendered if he wanted to live. I know I’m not the only one happy about it. God bless the US military and God bless the USA!!
Kerosena May 2, 2011 at 10:33 am
Christy, I understand how you feel. The September 11th attacks were “kind of disgusting to [ME].”
Jeff May 2, 2011 at 10:58 am
I’m glad he’s dead, would love to throw a party, and will be sleeping better knowing I don’t have to see or hear about this guy being alive and terrorizing the world.
I don’t think the world is all that much “safer”, but hey, it’s a start.
God Bless America and our troops who protect us.
Hopeful May 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Christy, I too have trouble celebrating that we murdered someone. I’m sure those soldiers who did so are both overjoyed and remorseful that that is what our country has come to. But I’m looking at the big picture. I am a military mother and I have stood next to families receiving their son’s casket from Afghanistan. I don’t think killing Bin Laden will end the killing, but it’s a start, as Jeff said. The beauty of our country is that we’re all entitled to our opinions and can express them freely.
Christy May 2, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I agree, death is disgusting, killing is disgusting. Celebrating death and killing is disgusting.
How “happy” should we be that thousands of innocent people, women, men, children, had to die over the course of 10 years to find 1 man? I’m thankful that maybe a small portion of people are now saved because we’re not dropping cluster bombs in search of luring him out of a cave now. I’m not happy though.
I realize there are many people who will be happy about this death I just think that as a society we should step back and think about “celebrating” death and killing.
How did it make you feel when we saw images of people rejoicing after the 9/11 attacks? It’s no different to me that some of us will rejoice about this death. I didn’t lose anyone personally in 9/11 but I was sad for everyone who did. And the thought of anyone happy about that makes me sick.
We shouldn’t be praising people who kill, even if they are killing a Hitler, a psycho, an Osama Bin Laden. Ask someone how it feels to kill another human being after being at war. Ask someone who watched a death penalty sentence play out. To me it’s a psychological nightmare. People who like it are called serial killers, mass murders or, in some cases, soldiers.
I’m sure that those who did lose someone in 9/11 or in these last 10 years of war may feel good in some way, and maybe that is therapeutic, part of the process, but that doesn’t lighten their hearts for having experienced the loss of a loved one. I imagine that stays forever whether or not the one responsible is dead or alive.
If anything we should all be mourning the loss of every single person who has died to make this happen. Not popping champagne bottles and high-fiving.
And don’t think I’m not a believer in justice either, people need to be held accountable for their actions. I just don’t think we need to turn justice into a savage spectacle that exploits death and killing.
It’s a sad day in my eyes.
Hate breeds hate. Love breeds Love.
Jen May 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I’m sorry, but I also think it’s good news to know that he’s dead… If we had captured him, he still wouldn’t have suffered enough for all of the pain he put the US through. There comes a time in all of our lives where we do become a little desensitized to things and believe me, I don’t agree that people should die just because they did something wrong. However, the plan that he stood behind and followed through on with his cohorts, was more than wrong and people have suffered long enough. It’s great to know that the military went in and completed this mission. I am proud of them.
AP May 2, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Preach Christy. You’ve said it all perfectly.
Lara May 2, 2011 at 3:37 pm
I am proud of our military forces.
Liz Baker McKay May 2, 2011 at 4:07 pm
“I’ve nevered wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.” (Mark Twain)
Dina May 2, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Great quote @13
Edna May 2, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Lets all give a group hug to the fanatical terrorists,that’ll stop ‘em.I’m disgusted too,just not for the same reason you are,Christy.God bless America and her soldiers.I salute you. While you are at home hugging Matts magnolia,remember,an American soldier is fighting to keep you safe an able to do that.Just sayin’.And,I didnt miss your point about death being ugly,but in this case,his LIFE was to cause harm to the people who protect the very ideals that make us free and to Western society as a whole.He might be more glad hes dead than you are,didnt he just get 7 virgins?
DB May 2, 2011 at 7:58 pm
my brother personally hunted for Osama for two years, he also served at Ground Zero recovering bodies for three months. I could not be any prouder of him than I am today.
Peter May 2, 2011 at 10:09 pm
I don’t know what to say here. I’ve spent more time researching 9/11 than most would believe. Much of that was identifying deceit from the story-telling of our government, and identifying all the unknowns that could’ve been answered by that same government. So I can say that the picture as to the real perpetrators is very unclear.
I understand that not everyone has the luxury (possibly curse) to read real analysis [ie David Ray Griffin) and be able to do some of their own. It’s difficult to speak with people like Edna (no offense)….just because we have such different knowledge bases….that have, over time, led to seeing events/people differently.
She may see an official actor, and think that person deserves more deference, whereas I may assess that they require greater scrutiny.
For arguments sake…I may be aware of massive amounts of complicated data, whereas she may have never heard any of these names, places, or positions.
Where would we start such a conversation? I don’t know, but my patience for people proclaiming certainties, all the while having only crumbs for objective explanations….has run the fk out.
I won’t overload on details and timelines here, but Edna, one truth from my perspective: there is no person I fear as much as a US soldier.
Drawn from a comically-stoked, hyper-nationalist populace; psyches manicured to the point of ultra-dependency on the omnipresent Military; trained to execute commands without hesitation or filter.
No, I doubt any military personnel would’ve abstained from Operation Northwoods…had JFK not intervened.
Edna, our society is as ‘free’ as the vigilance we choose to invest.
Wow! May 2, 2011 at 10:30 pm
yeah, yeah, yeah!!!! I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about Christy’s rant at all…This fucking tool killed 3000, THREE THOUSAND people on 9/11, a few of whom I knew. Peace, peace, peace, but sometimes you have to fight back. They don’t care what we think. WASSUP ASSHOLES, WE WILL ALWAYS WIN.
dgc May 2, 2011 at 10:36 pm
We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.” — Osama Bin Laden
He got what he wanted, and in my opinion deserved.
The three thousand people killed on 9/11 did nothing to put themselves in the cross hairs. Bin Laden did.
This is a man who used his own wife as a shield. In my opinion he doesn’t deserve a single second of compassion wasted on him.
Peter May 3, 2011 at 7:42 am
I remember when we Officially weren’t supposed to be concerned about Bin Laden’s fate [all other Official version accepted]:
Peter, very well put, and insightful. You made some good points. But, I hope you are not suggesting we perpetrated 9/11 on ourselves. I’ve heard that bunk before and done some research myself. If that is part of your arguement then, to me, you’ve lost a lot of credibility. I’m not saying I trust our gov’t 100%, or believe everything they say/spin. I’d like to think I’m not that naive. But to think that some people actually believe we purposely killed over 3,000 of our own citizens for some Star Chamber military conspiracy is ridiculous imo. (btw, that’s EXACTLY what the general population of Pakistan believes. So, that would be your peer group then.) You may as well argue we bombed Pearl Harbor then blamed the innocent Japanese just so we could get in on the fun of WWII, and lift us out of the Great Depression. There really are outside people/entities that want to destroy the US and Western society. There really are.
dgc May 3, 2011 at 9:26 am
Conspiracy theorists are more gullible than the “rubes” they claim to have more knowledge than.
Goose May 3, 2011 at 10:33 am
‘Be thankful that a threat doesn’t exist anymore. But don’t throw a party because we killed someone.’ – We? I didn’t kill anyone…neither did you or the other commenters here.
‘The three thousand people killed on 9/11 did nothing to put themselves in the cross hairs. Bin Laden did.’ – Exactly.
I was glad to hear Osama was dead and gone but I didn’t celebrate…but I have to admit, I did throw a small party when that scumbag Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered in prison by another inmate. He ALMOST got what he deserved. If I were there, working in that prison, I would’ve ordered pizza and cake and did a little dance around his cell…very rarely (if ever) is murder a good thing, in that case, it was.
Good riddance, Osama.
Christy May 3, 2011 at 11:41 am
Hey @Goose – yes WE, as in the United States of America, killed Osama Bin Laden, just like, WE, the United States of America, bring democracy to those who wish for freedom, right? Just like WE are winning the war on terror?
@ Wow – Your statement, “they don’t care what we think” is most telling, because in reality, “we don’t care what they think”, either. How is that going to solve any problems?
And @Edna – please don’t be so patronizing as to suggest I think hugging a tree is going to fix the worlds problems. Blowing up children, raping women and living in a constant state of fear (all of which have happened throughout the history of wars/occupations) does nothing to solve problems.
War is not the answer to anything in my opinion.
Of course then there is the age-old question of what is the answer. I think you can ask any kindergartner that question and they will tell you twelve ways ’til Sunday, alternatives to solving problems instead of physical force and violence.
If we can’t solve problems with communication, empathy, compassion and compromise – leaving ego and pride at the wayside – then the future is going to be a sad place.
“There never was a good war or a bad peace.” – Ben Franklin
dgc May 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm
“If we can’t solve problems with communication, empathy, compassion and compromise – leaving ego and pride at the wayside – then the future is going to be a sad place.” – It takes two sides to communicate and compromise. “We” can not do it by our selves, nor can “We” force the other side to communicate or compromise. Therefore, we have to take action and defend ourselves.
I don’t think people are celebrating the fact that he is dead, as much as they are celebrating that Good has triumphed over Evil.
I don’t know what kindergartners you’re hanging out with, but I’ve seen quite a few use physical force and violence to get their way…just sayin’
Chris May 3, 2011 at 5:40 pm
@Christy…Are you suggesting that we should have “talked it out” with Osama? What exactly would we have discussed with him? Maybe try to get him to explain his justification for flying planes into the World Trade Center, and if he somehow came up with a good explanation we could say “ah we get it now. Ok, carry on.” Maybe we work out a compromise? “Well you just killed 3,000+ innocent American Citizens, so now we get to do the same to your country.” How exactly would a compromise go? Maybe you can ask all your Kindergartner friends. I’m sure they have some amazing insights. Do you think Hitler would have somehow stopped his “cleansing” if someone had taken the time to just sit down and have a chat with him? I’m going to go out on a limb and say no.
Rob
May 2, 2011 at 12:27 am
Yes.
Hopeful
May 2, 2011 at 8:25 am
We rule! So many of us will sleep soundly tonight.
Flurries
May 2, 2011 at 8:32 am
Awesome!! Just a great day. Is it wrong to be happy someone is dead dead dead?!
christy the homebirther
May 2, 2011 at 9:08 am
I think it’s wrong to be happy that anyone is dead. Yes there are monsters out there but I think it’s a bad thing to de-sensitize death and have a celebration about killing another human being. He is dead. Be thankful that a threat doesn’t exist anymore. But don’t throw a party because we killed someone.
Kind of disgusting to me.
And frankly, I’d bet most people in the world have been sleeping soundly every single night for a long time over this. When is the last time you woke up and/or went to bed and said, geez I’m worried we haven’t caught Bin Laden?
Flurries
May 2, 2011 at 10:15 am
I kinda understand Christy’s opinion on this, but I’m still glad he’s dead. It’s the 10th anniversary of 9/11 this year. At least we won’t have to hear any “proclamations” from this murderer any more, and especially on 9/11. EVERYONE wanted this guy dead almost 10 years ago. We said we’d get him, and we did. Good riddance. He could have surrendered if he wanted to live. I know I’m not the only one happy about it. God bless the US military and God bless the USA!!
Kerosena
May 2, 2011 at 10:33 am
Christy, I understand how you feel. The September 11th attacks were “kind of disgusting to [ME].”
Jeff
May 2, 2011 at 10:58 am
I’m glad he’s dead, would love to throw a party, and will be sleeping better knowing I don’t have to see or hear about this guy being alive and terrorizing the world.
I don’t think the world is all that much “safer”, but hey, it’s a start.
God Bless America and our troops who protect us.
Hopeful
May 2, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Christy, I too have trouble celebrating that we murdered someone. I’m sure those soldiers who did so are both overjoyed and remorseful that that is what our country has come to. But I’m looking at the big picture. I am a military mother and I have stood next to families receiving their son’s casket from Afghanistan. I don’t think killing Bin Laden will end the killing, but it’s a start, as Jeff said. The beauty of our country is that we’re all entitled to our opinions and can express them freely.
Christy
May 2, 2011 at 12:10 pm
I agree, death is disgusting, killing is disgusting. Celebrating death and killing is disgusting.
How “happy” should we be that thousands of innocent people, women, men, children, had to die over the course of 10 years to find 1 man? I’m thankful that maybe a small portion of people are now saved because we’re not dropping cluster bombs in search of luring him out of a cave now. I’m not happy though.
I realize there are many people who will be happy about this death I just think that as a society we should step back and think about “celebrating” death and killing.
How did it make you feel when we saw images of people rejoicing after the 9/11 attacks? It’s no different to me that some of us will rejoice about this death. I didn’t lose anyone personally in 9/11 but I was sad for everyone who did. And the thought of anyone happy about that makes me sick.
We shouldn’t be praising people who kill, even if they are killing a Hitler, a psycho, an Osama Bin Laden. Ask someone how it feels to kill another human being after being at war. Ask someone who watched a death penalty sentence play out. To me it’s a psychological nightmare. People who like it are called serial killers, mass murders or, in some cases, soldiers.
I’m sure that those who did lose someone in 9/11 or in these last 10 years of war may feel good in some way, and maybe that is therapeutic, part of the process, but that doesn’t lighten their hearts for having experienced the loss of a loved one. I imagine that stays forever whether or not the one responsible is dead or alive.
If anything we should all be mourning the loss of every single person who has died to make this happen. Not popping champagne bottles and high-fiving.
And don’t think I’m not a believer in justice either, people need to be held accountable for their actions. I just don’t think we need to turn justice into a savage spectacle that exploits death and killing.
It’s a sad day in my eyes.
Hate breeds hate. Love breeds Love.
Jen
May 2, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I’m sorry, but I also think it’s good news to know that he’s dead… If we had captured him, he still wouldn’t have suffered enough for all of the pain he put the US through. There comes a time in all of our lives where we do become a little desensitized to things and believe me, I don’t agree that people should die just because they did something wrong. However, the plan that he stood behind and followed through on with his cohorts, was more than wrong and people have suffered long enough. It’s great to know that the military went in and completed this mission. I am proud of them.
AP
May 2, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Preach Christy. You’ve said it all perfectly.
Lara
May 2, 2011 at 3:37 pm
I am proud of our military forces.
Liz Baker McKay
May 2, 2011 at 4:07 pm
“I’ve nevered wished a man dead, but I have read some obituaries with great pleasure.” (Mark Twain)
Dina
May 2, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Great quote @13
Edna
May 2, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Lets all give a group hug to the fanatical terrorists,that’ll stop ‘em.I’m disgusted too,just not for the same reason you are,Christy.God bless America and her soldiers.I salute you. While you are at home hugging Matts magnolia,remember,an American soldier is fighting to keep you safe an able to do that.Just sayin’.And,I didnt miss your point about death being ugly,but in this case,his LIFE was to cause harm to the people who protect the very ideals that make us free and to Western society as a whole.He might be more glad hes dead than you are,didnt he just get 7 virgins?
DB
May 2, 2011 at 7:58 pm
my brother personally hunted for Osama for two years, he also served at Ground Zero recovering bodies for three months. I could not be any prouder of him than I am today.
Peter
May 2, 2011 at 10:09 pm
I don’t know what to say here. I’ve spent more time researching 9/11 than most would believe. Much of that was identifying deceit from the story-telling of our government, and identifying all the unknowns that could’ve been answered by that same government. So I can say that the picture as to the real perpetrators is very unclear.
I understand that not everyone has the luxury (possibly curse) to read real analysis [ie David Ray Griffin) and be able to do some of their own. It’s difficult to speak with people like Edna (no offense)….just because we have such different knowledge bases….that have, over time, led to seeing events/people differently.
She may see an official actor, and think that person deserves more deference, whereas I may assess that they require greater scrutiny.
For arguments sake…I may be aware of massive amounts of complicated data, whereas she may have never heard any of these names, places, or positions.
Where would we start such a conversation? I don’t know, but my patience for people proclaiming certainties, all the while having only crumbs for objective explanations….has run the fk out.
I won’t overload on details and timelines here, but Edna, one truth from my perspective: there is no person I fear as much as a US soldier.
Drawn from a comically-stoked, hyper-nationalist populace; psyches manicured to the point of ultra-dependency on the omnipresent Military; trained to execute commands without hesitation or filter.
No, I doubt any military personnel would’ve abstained from Operation Northwoods…had JFK not intervened.
Edna, our society is as ‘free’ as the vigilance we choose to invest.
Wow!
May 2, 2011 at 10:30 pm
yeah, yeah, yeah!!!! I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about Christy’s rant at all…This fucking tool killed 3000, THREE THOUSAND people on 9/11, a few of whom I knew. Peace, peace, peace, but sometimes you have to fight back. They don’t care what we think. WASSUP ASSHOLES, WE WILL ALWAYS WIN.
dgc
May 2, 2011 at 10:36 pm
We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two.” — Osama Bin Laden
He got what he wanted, and in my opinion deserved.
The three thousand people killed on 9/11 did nothing to put themselves in the cross hairs. Bin Laden did.
This is a man who used his own wife as a shield. In my opinion he doesn’t deserve a single second of compassion wasted on him.
Peter
May 3, 2011 at 7:42 am
I remember when we Officially weren’t supposed to be concerned about Bin Laden’s fate [all other Official version accepted]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGmnz5Ow-o
Flurries
May 3, 2011 at 9:09 am
Peter, very well put, and insightful. You made some good points. But, I hope you are not suggesting we perpetrated 9/11 on ourselves. I’ve heard that bunk before and done some research myself. If that is part of your arguement then, to me, you’ve lost a lot of credibility. I’m not saying I trust our gov’t 100%, or believe everything they say/spin. I’d like to think I’m not that naive. But to think that some people actually believe we purposely killed over 3,000 of our own citizens for some Star Chamber military conspiracy is ridiculous imo. (btw, that’s EXACTLY what the general population of Pakistan believes. So, that would be your peer group then.) You may as well argue we bombed Pearl Harbor then blamed the innocent Japanese just so we could get in on the fun of WWII, and lift us out of the Great Depression. There really are outside people/entities that want to destroy the US and Western society. There really are.
dgc
May 3, 2011 at 9:26 am
Conspiracy theorists are more gullible than the “rubes” they claim to have more knowledge than.
Goose
May 3, 2011 at 10:33 am
‘Be thankful that a threat doesn’t exist anymore. But don’t throw a party because we killed someone.’ – We? I didn’t kill anyone…neither did you or the other commenters here.
‘The three thousand people killed on 9/11 did nothing to put themselves in the cross hairs. Bin Laden did.’ – Exactly.
I was glad to hear Osama was dead and gone but I didn’t celebrate…but I have to admit, I did throw a small party when that scumbag Jeffrey Dahmer was murdered in prison by another inmate. He ALMOST got what he deserved. If I were there, working in that prison, I would’ve ordered pizza and cake and did a little dance around his cell…very rarely (if ever) is murder a good thing, in that case, it was.
Good riddance, Osama.
Christy
May 3, 2011 at 11:41 am
Hey @Goose – yes WE, as in the United States of America, killed Osama Bin Laden, just like, WE, the United States of America, bring democracy to those who wish for freedom, right? Just like WE are winning the war on terror?
@ Wow – Your statement, “they don’t care what we think” is most telling, because in reality, “we don’t care what they think”, either. How is that going to solve any problems?
And @Edna – please don’t be so patronizing as to suggest I think hugging a tree is going to fix the worlds problems. Blowing up children, raping women and living in a constant state of fear (all of which have happened throughout the history of wars/occupations) does nothing to solve problems.
War is not the answer to anything in my opinion.
Of course then there is the age-old question of what is the answer. I think you can ask any kindergartner that question and they will tell you twelve ways ’til Sunday, alternatives to solving problems instead of physical force and violence.
If we can’t solve problems with communication, empathy, compassion and compromise – leaving ego and pride at the wayside – then the future is going to be a sad place.
“There never was a good war or a bad peace.” – Ben Franklin
dgc
May 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm
“If we can’t solve problems with communication, empathy, compassion and compromise – leaving ego and pride at the wayside – then the future is going to be a sad place.” – It takes two sides to communicate and compromise. “We” can not do it by our selves, nor can “We” force the other side to communicate or compromise. Therefore, we have to take action and defend ourselves.
I don’t think people are celebrating the fact that he is dead, as much as they are celebrating that Good has triumphed over Evil.
I don’t know what kindergartners you’re hanging out with, but I’ve seen quite a few use physical force and violence to get their way…just sayin’
Chris
May 3, 2011 at 5:40 pm
@Christy…Are you suggesting that we should have “talked it out” with Osama? What exactly would we have discussed with him? Maybe try to get him to explain his justification for flying planes into the World Trade Center, and if he somehow came up with a good explanation we could say “ah we get it now. Ok, carry on.” Maybe we work out a compromise? “Well you just killed 3,000+ innocent American Citizens, so now we get to do the same to your country.” How exactly would a compromise go? Maybe you can ask all your Kindergartner friends. I’m sure they have some amazing insights. Do you think Hitler would have somehow stopped his “cleansing” if someone had taken the time to just sit down and have a chat with him? I’m going to go out on a limb and say no.
Edna
May 4, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Golly Peter,you sure is smart,can I have a hug?